Death of the Celtic Tiger

I already wrote about the death of the Celtic Tiger phenomenon as far back as last August – the final ignominious end of the ten-year long economic boom Ireland has been experiencing. What’s the name for the new era we’ve now entered? It’s no good calling it the post-Celtic Tiger era. 

Here is my suggestion: The Celtic Hangover

It captures, I think, that essential characteristic of the post-euphoria, morning-after-the-night-before mood: just how did I spend all that money to feel this bad? Why is there a dull, pounding noise in my head? Oh shit, I need to go to work!

Add to that the Irish (supposed) propensity for drinking and we have the perfect phrase. Let’s just hope we don’t end up in A&E: have you seen the state of the health service lately?



  1. obamaismad said,

    February 7, 2008 at 2:28 am

    The Celtic Tiger was always a myth! It never was and never will be. It was the age of greeed -more greed , inequality,corruption and mass immigration.

    Which in turn established colonization of Ireland by passive means by Africans Asians and EU nationals as the order of the era.

    The inflicting of a “MULTICULTURAL SOCIETY” and destruction of Ireland as a nation state with any real sovereignty renders ireland a basket case as a society and doomed to a prolonged sickness and denegration for years to come.

    The people to blame for this are the Irish People who have got exactly what they deserve!.

    The Irish Ferries scandal said it all.

  2. Shazgood said,

    February 7, 2008 at 11:47 am

    The Celtic Tiger – whatever it brought to Ireland – was not a myth. It resulted in real income growth, astonishing wealth, jobs, employment for most, and massive social changes.
    Second, I love multicultural Ireland!
    You state: “The inflicting of a “MULTICULTURAL SOCIETY” and destruction of Ireland as a nation state with any real sovereignty renders ireland a basket case as a society and doomed to a prolonged sickness and denegration for years to come.” Eh? What connects a multicultural society with “prolonged sickness and degeneration”? In fact, the foreigners have helped enormously. They’ve brought the skills, the food, the variety of experience that we needed. Believe me – I know. I grew up in the fetid, stagnant, monocultural Ireland of the 1970s and 1980s. A nightmare. At least Ireland is now vibrant and full of life. That’s not to say we don’t have immense problems too – just that we cannot blame anybody else on it, and certainly not the immigrants!!

  3. obamaismad said,

    February 7, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    Well you have your view! [Which I would say is blinkered and VERY PC CORRECT] and I have my view which in turn you would no doubt contend is blinkeredor worse?]

    People always seem to throw up the extremes as being somehow a relevant retort to the complaint about “MULTICULTURAL SOCIETY” Like as if by virtue of the fact that I do not share your view about what has happened to Ireland we then have to imagine that we should or could have stayed as we were back in the 70s and 80s.

    I agree that I would not want those times to have stayed as they were either but neither am I happy that we have effectively destroyed the nation and its sovereignty and allowed mass inward immigration of the type that can only be described as passive colonization.the effect of which has been to fragment the society to the extent of it being not a society at all.

    Yes the “money/capital” inflows into the country have also played a huge part and encouraged rampant individualism to the extent that sheer greed has run riot and the rich got richer while the poor got poorer and even more marginalized. very much like the USA which at least can sustain a rootless society.

    I too like meeting foreign people and learning about foreign cultures. I respect them greatly, but I DONT WANT THEM IMPOSED HERE which is unavoidable with the whole mass immigration and “MULTICULTURAL SOCIETY” and its agenda driven loopers.

    Show me a country which has not had pretty awful experience of mass immigration on the scale seen in Ireland over the last 15 years and I might be open to persuasion. Alas all see is the likes of France, UK, the Netherlands [one of the most liberal people on earth] ruin there own countries regardless of which way they dealt with MASS IMMIGRATION

    No point in blaming the IMMIGRANTS as they are only taking advantage of things for their own personal gain just as anyone would if able to. The fault is with Irish people and their SHORTSIGHTEDNESS the longterm disadvantage of exploiting cheap foreign labor will far outweigh any short or mid term gain of having huge growth rates for the rich to get ever richer and the poor and marginalized ever more marginalized and disenfranchised from society. It wont be long before we have the “working poor” if we don’t already have this.

    The point is that just like China maybe economic growth rates that were half would have served us far better and I prefer to live in a society rather than a economy and sadly it is an unavoidable reality that migration has everything to do with economics and nothing to do with culture per say. Except that when you get mass in ward immigration of the unmanaged and uncontrolled that we have had in Ireland you end up having to indulge and placate everybody. There have already been examples of this. Be it the turban madness [and the siks are otherwise generally good at integrating- by contrast with muslim populations which are just a complete disaster] and the the case of a Judge making a comment to the effect that a Nigerian guy who killed a baby boy when exercising his “cultural” imperative to circumcise the boy should be judged with his culture being taken into account!

    The road to hell is paved with good intentions but sadly when economics become all in a society then the game is up! Ireland has little of its own culture to mark it out as anything other than a region of the UK or even the USA and this TREND will only grow and continue.

    MASS IMMIGRATION and MULTICULTURALISM only drag a country down more and more and in the end things will be far worse than anything we seen in the 70s or 80s.

    Yes as I say it is good that there have been many changes that are very welcome but my point is that it has gone way past that and when you tear away the hype fog of the last 15 years we find ourselves having created an irreversible train of events that will spell disaster for the generations to come.

    I do not blame immigrants I blame Irish people for being so greedy as to allow MASS IMMIGRATION and the destruction of Irish society.

    A multiracial society could probably be ma ganged well enough and be ok but multiculturalism is a sickness that corrodes from within and ends up with only misery .

    Go to Bolton or Bradford or the Suburbs of the French cities or a stroll around Rotterdam and the future is there for all to see.


  4. shazgood said,

    February 11, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    There is no connection between Myer’s conservative rantings, Roma brutality, and the Celtic Tiger. Nor do I see how any of it “underlines (your) point”! What you’re basically saying is, look at Ireland, sure isn’t it all going to pot, tut tut. Fine. I share the outrage at the Roma story and feel disconcerted when I read about genetic tampering.
    But what’s it got to do with multiculturalism?

  5. obamaismad said,

    February 12, 2008 at 2:26 am

    As for a generalcomment about your cherished Multiculturalism?


    There has been an almost overnight and unthinking blossoming of the view among a politically-correct minority that we are on our way to a multicultural society whether we like it or not. This flies in the face of our sovereignty which outside of the EU is total in regard to immigration. The degree to which we wish to be multicultural or homogeneous is one for the people of Ireland to decide. The change to a multicultural society would be a fundamental and enormous change for this society, one on a par with independence or joining the EU, arguably greater. It is one which demands enormous debate before the choice, not the announcement of a fait accompli. Further, the implication is very strongly made that this is a moral choice; that a multicultural society is a moral imperative. It is, of course, no such thing, but a very political choice.

    Large-scale immigration has brought enormous social upheaval to France, Germany, Britain and other European countries. Shorn of political correctness, an unblinkered society would seek to avoid such a fate. The only way to do so is to pursue a rigorous policy of immigration control from the outset because it is a simple fact that each immigrant has an incremental effect. They serve as a model and focus of attraction for others from their communities of origin. Just as the Kurds who enter Europe head for Kurdish communities in Germany, for example, where they can get lost in the larger group; just as the Boston Irish formed a focus for new emigrants so will a Romanian or Nigerian community act in the same manner here.

    As regards the philosophy to be applied to whatever immigration occurs there are two possible philosophies:
    a.) assimilation
    b.) multiculturalism

    Some countries historically favour a.) e.g. USA and France; some favour b) e.g. Canada and Britain. Perhaps because of our proximity to Britain and the influence of things like her “development education” on ours, there seems to be an unthinking presumption that in so far as we may have an immigrant population, philosophy b.) will apply. Again, this is a matter of enormous importance on which instead of a considered debate a fait accompli is announced by a vocal clique.

  6. obamaismad said,

    February 13, 2008 at 12:39 am

    But maybe I am wrong and have it all wrong?

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